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Post by Zhentee on Feb 6, 2006 15:17:36 GMT -5
Here is something we can debate on. Eating animals. I know that some people are vegetarians and don’t like to eat animals and that’s fine. This isn’t that sort of thing.
Its for those who say animals aren’t meant to be eaten. So here is a little starting argument. If they aren’t meant to be eaten, who do other animals eat them? Because there are nutriance and vitamins that they need, and that’s is a good source. There is even a case were a hear of deer, had taken to eating the heads, of land dwelling birds, because a certain breed, has the supplements they needed, and couldn’t find any were else.
And what about jaw structure? If you look at all herbivores, you will notice they have front teeth for grabbing the food, then there is a space before the molars that are used from grinding. But with carnivores, that space is filled with sharp jagged teeth used to rip and tare meat before grinding it. So now look at your teeth, do you have a space between front and molars? I know I don’t! and I also know that the teeth between are sharper and a bit jagged, this means, we are meant to eat meat!
So what do you say? Any one have evidence for why we ARNT supposed to eat meat?
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Post by Captain Z on Feb 7, 2006 17:06:27 GMT -5
eh, sorry, guess bothering Zhentee just seems somewhat amusing lately.
I was a veggie once. Majority of my life actually. Why? Dont ask. lol My parents both were vegitarians all their life. My dad ate a little bit when he moved out to British Columbia, but he became very ill once of samonella (sp) poisoning, which i think is from eating uncooked meat. I asked em a few months back that why they were vegitarians, and to be honest, i never got a straight answer out of em. What i think it starts out as, is cultural reasons, and then it decends from their. I didnt eat meat until i was about 13ish. Why? cause no one in my house could cook it. I never really found out what it tasted like because even when my family went to a restaurant, we would still order vegitarian dishes and stuff so everyone could eat and share. Enough of that though
Yeah, I started to eat meat slowly, cause doctors said i needed protein. bleh. doctors. what do they know. Even then, two years later, I still only eat chicken, and occasionally the pepperoni pizza. Never bothered to try the other stuff. The way i see it though, it was originally the way of life. Cows eat grass, we eat cows. Naturally we evolved from eating bananas like our ancestors to hunting and eating meat. Top of the food chain we came, and hunted food, cooked it and yeah, splendid meal for the day. Its true, we do have them meat teeth too, right beside your four front teeth.
but also, look at it how it was 1000 years ago, and how it is now. Before you'd have a group that would set out to hunt a boar or a pig of somesort and you come back, with the beautiful beast wrapped on a pole, and you'd have a meal/festival with your family back home. Look at it now, well, you have these animals especially raised and kept so that we dont have to go out and find them. Born in a farm, killed in a farm. You know, what happened to freedom in between there? I know its not like cows or chickens do much anyway but you know, we've basically commerciallized the species.
What i disaggree completely with is Fish. Fish? yeah, that nice red lobster of yours, and that swordwish, and junk. yeah. Back then, we used to catch fish from the shore. you have your fishing line, maybe a small net, and you'd spend a day lounging on the chair waiting for something to happen. now, you have massive ships taking thick meshed nets and running them until the ship starts to sink in weight, in the middle of the ocean. Now, you've gone beyond human limits. lol, i unno, its my opinion, if we were meant to rake the ocean dry, wouldnt we have webbed feet? They arnt exactly strong points, but its basically what i grew up by, and how i passed down them Mcdonalds commercials.
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Post by Zhentee on Feb 7, 2006 18:12:09 GMT -5
aw yes, poor Zhentee... so amusing to bother! oh well!
You have a very good point Ziev with the fish thing! I got to say I never really liked fish. The taste, the texture, its all just…. Creepy! ((I do like to fish though! But I always let the fish go…)) I’ll eat some tuna ever now and then, but only when it mixed with mayo, pickles, and a bit of mustard for zing, and if it slabbd on crackers or between two pieces of bread. But that’s about it. Your right, we were built to hunt on land, not at sea. Perhaps we deserved the bit of fish we hunted, when we used to hunt it from the shore with stick and string. But now its ridicules, because those next we cast out wind up killing defenseless animals, like whales and dolphins.
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Post by orin on Feb 7, 2006 18:46:00 GMT -5
I thought about becoming a 'veggie' as you call it, but never followed through. I just couldn'ts survive without the burgers! I must have cheeseburger! *Drools* Though I disagree with what occurs before the animals are eaten. Like the chikens, all cramed up in a cage! Poor chickies!
h, I like to fish too! Though once I caught an eel, and it bit me. They have sharp teeth like needle. Needle hurt, teeth hurt.
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Post by Zhentee on Feb 7, 2006 22:25:28 GMT -5
yes, I will admit waht happens to them befor hand is very sad...
but for some reason people think that what happeens to beef cows, also happenes to dairy cows... the whole, cuelty thing, and since my grandfather owned and wroked a dairy farm till he got alzhiemers (sp?) and could no longer farm, i'm goig to tell you alll how increadobly GOOD dairy cows are treated.
First off, if you want good milk, you HAVE to have happy cows, cuz if the cows are streased, or unhappy, they give you sour milk, no joke. if you dont give them a dry bed, and living conditions, and good food, freash water, and enough space, your farm will go down the drain FAST! if even one of these things isn't right, cow will produce less, and bad tasting milk!
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Post by Farrah on Feb 8, 2006 17:55:28 GMT -5
Same way with chickens. Stressed chicken=bad tasting eggs and meat. I do feel bad for the poor little creatures though. I mean, it's better when we actually worked for our food (I feel like I've been stuck in this debate before....) Now, like with the fish, it's all hugely commercialized. But I do think that animals can be eaten. I mean, people get eaten by sharks and large cats every year. It's the way it goes. Hunting is the way of life. Besides, plants are alive too. They're like animals that can see or hear, but they can feel. I hate to think about that, but yes, plants can feel. They've had scientific studies on it and plants can feel pain. So even vegetarians are killing things that have feelings. And I agree. I couldn't live without my burgers. (Dang, I feel like a typical American!) I still think though that we all have to eat things in moderation. I don't understand how vegetarians can survive A) not ever tasting meat with all that pent-up curiosity. B) with all the less nutrients and proteins. I mean, meat is good...good for you and just tasty.
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Post by Captain Z on Feb 8, 2006 18:45:32 GMT -5
lol. yeah, being vegitarian is quite easy i guess. I didn't often have a 'craving' for meat, cause i hadn't tasted it before. You'd see them McDonalds commercials, or them Swiss Chalet commercial with all them dressed gourmet food, and really, you just wouldnt know what it would taste like. Its almost like, pretending that all meat taste like octopus. lol I will die before i eat octopus, its so slimy, and... awkward, and just imagining what it would taste like, WHAM your hunger is gone. Best trick in the book. Only problem with vegitarianism is, honestly, variety. You can only eat the same thing so many times right? Much of your nutrients come naturally, Fruits, Vegitables, etc, but its the protein thats most challenging. Protein, the most protein rich foods i can think of right now, is Tofu, Soy and Beans. Lmao. Beans, well, beans is fine occasionally. but Tofu, shucks. I can't stand the junk. I remember before i switched over to meats, I tried a variety of this stuff. You know, Tofu Burgers, Tofu Bacon...terrible. I mean, you really have to be creative with vegitarianism and thats really a problem with me, I'm more of a picky eater. And yeah, Fisheries have been commercialled to the max, but also, your regular meats have been somewhat to. I mean, look around thanksgiven time, and christmas time, and your recently past Superbowl (I have to say, I'm proud of the Steelers, but that was the most innactive game ever lol) All the meats that the Farms rush to get into the markets. Yet, I dont think I have ever heard of a store selling out of meats. So at this time, when there is a massive Surplus of meats, and only a fair increase in the demand for meats, what happens in between? Alot of the meats become old, non-fresh, alot of it becomes rotten. Especially with the scares of Mad-Cow. The farms across the prairies in Canada can not (off and on) send meats to the United States, which is the number one market for Canadian Beef, and so now Canada is stuck with a surplus of beef. This also happens when the fish boats take to long to return to shore! All of the fish they catch can only stay fresh and edible for so long, and the trips have to be made in narrow deadlines. lol. funny advertisement I saw when i was down in Hawaii. Just thought id prove my point.
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Post by orin on Feb 8, 2006 19:46:10 GMT -5
This may be off topic, but it goes with the happy cows=good milk. I watched this Animal Planet show and there was something about how this one guy who ran a dairy farm fed his cows chocolate and candy, he found this actually increased the milk production. So I guess that means cows like sweet stuff huh?
//Yeah Ziev, I've seen those advertisemtns before, there for that Chickfulae (I know I spelt that wrong!) restaraunt.//
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Post by Zhentee on Feb 8, 2006 22:19:05 GMT -5
could be! ya never know! we used to have a cow in our pasture that we would feed chocholate chips too! XP she was a brown cow too! *crickets chirp* ... what? i thought it was funny.....
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Post by Kaemon on Feb 9, 2006 17:40:09 GMT -5
That happy cow thing came to my attention first. Happy cows DO NOT come from California. That is the WORST place to raise a cow.
But we are desighned to eat meat, along with veggies. We have a liver and gallbladder, which holds/produces stomach bile. Guess what that does? Breaks up fats. Yep, anotherwords, meat.
Also, we get more nutrients from eating meat. If we were plant eaters, we'd probably have to eat all the time. And, yeah, I'm done. I forgot half of the stuff I was going to say.
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Post by Zhentee on Feb 9, 2006 20:47:10 GMT -5
*nodds* yes we are indeed made to eat meat. i know we could survive with out it, but we were made to eat it! hmm... i was kinda hoping some one would have an argument as to why we should't eat meat... *sigh* Oh well...
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Post by Zhentee on Feb 10, 2006 15:34:03 GMT -5
actualy thats a very good point. I know I don't want to get eaten!
but as good of a point that it is, its the the circal of life, plants eat water sun and nutriance frm the ground, herbavors eat thoes plants, wich i'm sure dont want to be eaten and then carnavors eat thoes herbavors, and then when thoes carnavors die, they give nutriance to the soil, which the plants then use to grow... so in a way i guess they do get eaten...
excuses the miss spelled words, i dont have the time to spel check right now!
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Post by Dan on Feb 13, 2006 18:34:52 GMT -5
i don't eat anything strange like ostrage(sp) or buffalo and i don't eat deer or lamb. but idon't like hamburgers(i eat em any way) but i LOOOOOVVVEEEE porterhouse steak *drooools*
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Post by Captain Z on Feb 13, 2006 18:55:27 GMT -5
never ate a steak in my life ;D
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