Godmoding, maybe?

[boreas]

Perhaps some of you might find this ... childish? But I've seen a rather surprising trend lately and personally, its irritating.

Now, its been a common thing with my character, but I'm sure others will feel the same way. So here's my question.

Do the wolves here have some sort of mind reading powers? Because if not, then there shouldn't be any of this nonsense going on.

I've noticed that every time I use Boreas, except for one thread, that everyone, no matter how pleasant and unevil Boreas acts, they still act as though they know he's bad. And I'm pretty sure that they can't read minds because that'd be the only way they'd know. He is not powerful and therefor not extremely intimidating as far as looks go--so it can't be that. He hasn't outright said to wolves that he first meets that he's going to eat them--so its not that.

Its happened a few times and frankly, I'm tired of it. There's no way others will know he's bad unless he gives them reason to--and it seems like everyone he meets is dead set on jumping all over him for it. I'm not going to list names, but I'd kindly like it to stop--or for you to just not rp with me if you can't avoid using that sort of thing. Its hard to explain without examples and if I use examples then I'd be giving away everyone... But...Well, you know what? I'm going to use an example.

Just because he's a lil grouchy for being interrupted from his meal does not make him a bad guy--there for there is no reason to snap at him and assume he means trouble. And because all he's done was warn that if he were someone bad then wandering in one him could have been trouble. Some wise advice was all that he was offering.

Now I'm not saying Boreas is a good guy but when he doesn't do anything to prove he is bad, don't have your characters SENSE he's bad just because you know thats how he's supposed to be. To me, thats godmoding. Admins may not agree with me, but if you're going to rp with me, I'd at least like people to respect that. It makes it no fun when everyone automatically realizes he's bad when he's playing the good-guy part. After all, thats what he's supposed to do because he lacks in strength. He makes up for it in cunning and wit and coming off as a good guy. Ask poor Shea. She leraned the heard way.

Thanks for tuning in. This has been a broadcast from Boreas.


p.s. There's really no need to reply--I'm not up for hearing people's reasonings behind it or "Animals can sense bad people" --its irritating, plan and simple and if people can't get over themselves for a moment to rp decently, then there's no reason for me to stick around and waste my time trying to come up with great posts only to have it ruined by people who can't avoid godmoding.

PLUS. People need to stop making a million threads day after day just because someone hasn't replied to your's yet. If you've made several threads and still no luck, go join someone else's thats having the same problem. Just because you make new threads day after day won't bring people to you. Personally, its annoying as all get out and it just looks like spamming and desperation.

BOY. I love ranting.

+ Boreas

[Krystal Zanguzen]

Actually there's a logical reason why that happens Boreas, or at least, I have a theory behind it.

Keep in mind, I have no idea what your character is like, so I'm just going out on a limb here. Let's go on the asumption that your character isn't going to be nice in a certain thread. The way you write in your post will more then likely give away the idea to the other person that your character is going to be bad/do something bad. So in responce, that person gets deffensive in their post, even if your character hasn't done anything to show his intentions yet. It's a person's natural responce to being protective of their character, and sometimes that super-seeds natural role play instincts.

Maybe that didn't make any sense. In short, if someone feels like their character is going to be threatened, they'll go on the deffensive. It's bad rp'ing/acting out of character in a situation where their character shouldn't have prior knowledge to the event, but is done so regardless.

Try not to let it get to you too much, most rp'ers on TS are really good, and you shouldn't run into that problem too often. Also keep in mind that it's much more difficult to establish a badie character as opposed to a goodie goodie. But yes you are right, people shouldn't have their character's "just know" that something bad is going to happen. It's not god-moding, it's called "out of game knowledge", but both are pretty bad.

Keep RP'ing here, I'd like too see your character further develop. = )

[boreas]

Well, regardless of the reasons people may have, I expect a certain amount of respect and level when people rp with me. If I'm going to take the time to put together a good post and avoid "out of game knowledge" which to me is pratically god moding because it takes away from me, controlling my characters behavior because they've already played him as "bad" so when they react in such a way in their posts, I have no other option then to have him react in a rather unkindly way, which I don't always want him to do.

As you said, most are good rpers but unfortunately, its happened far more times then it hasn't happened. I can recall only one rp where it hasn't happened for him and I find it a little disappointing. Especially when I put so much effort into making him "Appear" the good guy. Perhaps I should have him not think anymore because appearly "people are feeling threatened" as you say.

And so far, Boreas is not having the chance to grow and evolve into a character that I want to play. Its even happened with another character and I've past the point ofo being understanding and letting it go. From now on, if I rp with someone who's going to be pulling that sort of thing, I'll be pointing it out and expecting them to fix it.

I know it sounds a bit stupid---but I don't expect much from people and I've like to be given a chance to roleplay my character in the way I'd like.

But thanks, Krystal. I actually haven't gotten the chance to rp with you. I'd like to, because although Boreas is a "bad" guy. He doesn't have to be all bad.

[Kai]

You can't expect everyone here to be able to match your skill or meet your expectations; the things you're mentioning may seem like common sense to you, but as Krystal said, those misconceptions happen a lot around here, and the people that do it probably don't even realize it. They're not doing it to be obnoxious or to upset you, they just don't know. I know it's frustrating, but I don't think you should bottle up this anger and then hurl it out in a long, ranty post. If you have a problem with the way others are interpretting your character/posts, then make an effort to fix it by telling them. I know its a pain when your character's secrets are revealed through your writing, and they're supposed to remain unknown IC, but mistakes do happen- if you want this to change, simply tell the person. They can't read your mind ;)

[epitaph]

You're actually having a metagaming problem. It happens all the time and is technically a not-so-bad version of godmoding seeing as your character isn't being controlled. But the other player is being all knowing.

[Krystal Zanguzen]

@jun: That was the term that I couldn't remember. "Metagaming", I knew I wasn't using the right term XD.

@kai: You're always so much better at explaining things then I am = ) I wanna RP with you!!!!!!

@boreas: I all ready sent you a PM, check your PM box.

[boreas]

I never expected anyone to read my mind--but when I make it pretty darn clear that he's outwardly showing kindness and being all good natured but "THINKING" somet things-- I'd kinda hope that--really unless you were a really horrible rper, that you'd beable to see that "He's thinking something bad..but he's acting good...and well...I can't read minds, therefore I don't know he's actually bad."

I want to think I do pretty good at making it clear in my posts on how he's acting.

And, I'm sorry to get snappy, but I don't expect people to match my level or skill. I simply ask for a lil respect --and to maybe actually read my posts before posting. Then they'd see that he's not acting terrible, therefore they have no reason to assume he is.

And as far as ranty posts and talking to them personally, I'm pretty sure I'd have recieved the same sort of comments or at least had people believe what a horrible person I am for getting on to people in OOC. By doing this, I merely hope to point out some issues so people will understand and maybe take some time to try and fix them.

I'm not angry. Somewaht irritated, but not angry. If I was angry, You'd know.

This was, yes, to make me feel somewhat better, but to also inform people that, although they may not realize it, this these are happening and maybe they can try next time to avoid them. Thats all.

No need to get your underpants in a bunch about a thread. I've seen a lot of stuff around here that needs to be brought up, but apparently when someone raises an issue that should be worked on, people don't take it to kindly around here. All I wanted to do was point out that people need to be aware of what other people have posted and try to avoid having their characters react just because the roleplayer KNOWS the other person's character is supposed to be evil or something else.

[Dax Ehzno]

I've found that whenever I ask someone via PM to do/not do something, they get snappy and continue doing it OR do it even worse.

[Arthfael]

Because I feel as though you are talking about me on one of those cases, I feel the need first to apologize and second to explain myself. For Art, it is a part of his character, and in the thread we are in together, the words Boreas says, in my eyes, made him appear as though he were being threatening. If I was mistaken, I apologize, and if you'd like me to, I can edit my post.

Also a part of it is him being cocky and showing off for a pretty gal.

[Shunké]

Just to let you know, not everyone reads through everything thoroughly. A lot comes from your avatar/banner, people take one look at it and assume that's the character's personality. I've had it happen to my other character before. Everyone rp's differently, y'know. And like Kai brought up- if you want to keep something unkown to another's character, it's best to make an OOC note or something.

Well, you can't choose you're repliers, unless it's a closed thread.

[Kai]

Boreas- please know that I wasn't attacking you, and if I made it seem that way, then I apologize, but your snappy retorts were unnecessary. Everyone in their replies to this thread has acknowledged that sometimes members don't bother reading posts too carefully (what Shunke said is especially true), and while it's frustrating, and it's not right, it does NOT have to be tolerated, either. I still stand by my previous comment when I say that one should at least try to handle it via PM first (despite what past experiences you've had with confronting a person privately. This way, you don't have to bother starting public drama, or worry about humiliating the person and coming off as the 'bad guy'). If things turn ugly from there, or the problem persists, then it's time to report it to an admin. Usually this sort of problem can be handled using simple communication, though if the person refuses to comply- then alert an admin and it wil be dealt with.

For the record, as an admin, I am not trying to sweep this problem under the rug or pretend that it doesn't exist. I was simply giving you a different way to handle it that wouldn't get people involved who didn't need to be.

I've seen a lot of stuff around here that needs to be brought up, but apparently when someone raises an issue that should be worked on, people don't take it to kindly around here.

I'm not sure what you're making reference to here, but if you bring it up with me in a PM I would gladly consider whatever it is. I don't want anyone here to feel like they can't talk to the admins about their concerns. However, this doesn't mean that every concern can be acted upon, and if something about the site upsets you that much, then there are other sites out there to choose from. Not meant to be a threat at all, but why stay somewhere if it doesn't make you happy?

I'm locking this thread now. Hopefully this has been resolved~ no need for further debate. You may PM me if you care to reply, and we can continue this in a respectful manner. Otherwise, I hope you get things sorted out with your thread!